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TwoCents
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redwolf
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[PFL]TwoCents @ Tue May 31, 2005 5:17 pm wrote: |
And here a price of around $300, |
yeah that could be that he's saying the US will pay... we European end up paying double the amount for games and consoles. Even though the UK pound is 1.5 times more then the dollers
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399GBP (~590 EUR) sounds a bit high and I doubt Microsoft wants to do the same mistake again as with the Euro Xbox (Launched at 479EUR in Europe compared to only 299USD in North-America. In europe a huge drop in price to 299EUR followed only weeks later due very low sales).
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http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEEZVVVlVywkjJuTOh.php even the drop 299 EUR is still high comapred to dollers of $299... if this is true ( i hope not) M$ will never be sucess outside of US |
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robfinch
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The UK release date and retail price have not been confirmed and are subject to change. If the retail price is decreased you will receive the lower price. |
That could also just be a pre-order price, i.e. you pay more to get the first of the stock and 'preferential treatment' from the supplier. |
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TheDaddy
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The UK retail price is £199 or £189 ... £239 or £229 with a launch title..
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EyemUrXtc
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yeah local stores in NY have a bundle.. X360, DVDremote, 2 controllers, 2 games, and i think the webcam.. or $500 and its stated that its expected to go down. |
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Praxis
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He says the final price is not set, and the article does not give a full quote. The quote from Allard is "in the neighborhood of" and then the ARTICLE says $300 of the XBox launch. My question is, did Allard say $300 specificly, or did he say in the neighborhood of the first XBox? Because, interestingly, Microsoft was paying $400 per unit to BUILD the XBox, they just sold it for $300.
It suggests a price of around $300, which is a good thing. On the other hand, he says its not final and other sites are listing $400, so...we'll see. |
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Praxis
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TheDaddy @ Tue May 31, 2005 7:54 pm wrote: |
The UK retail price is £199 or £189 ... £239 or £229 with a launch title..
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I'm curious to know how you know that when according to J. Allard, they haven't even decided on the U.S. price yet? |
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Lowbrassman04
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I have a friend that works at a Sam Goody Store and he says you can preorder the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3 for $500 USD.
I agree it is way too much $ for a console. It would make more sense for the 360 to be cheaper than the ps3 cause the ps3 is the most powerful out of the 2 ( with 2 nvidia gfx cards that have a retail about $500 each)
With this generation our family could aford 2 of the home consoles ( i could get an xbox but i would have to get a job ) but i think i will only have one next gen consoles and it will be either the Revolution or the cheapest one. ( Hope the Rev is the cheapest) |
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Dolfhin
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Lik-sang
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If you still buy your games in Europa you're doing something really really wrong, you can get twice as much games (or the same amounts of games for half the price) by importing them.
Besides that I'm not buying anything until it's H4X0R$
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300 US dollar is right now 243.8250 Euro |
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Praxis
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Lowbrassman04 @ Tue May 31, 2005 10:21 pm wrote: |
I have a friend that works at a Sam Goody Store and he says you can preorder the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3 for $500 USD.
I agree it is way too much $ for a console. It would make more sense for the 360 to be cheaper than the ps3 cause the ps3 is the most powerful out of the 2 ( with 2 nvidia gfx cards that have a retail about $500 each)
With this generation our family could aford 2 of the home consoles ( i could get an xbox but i would have to get a job ) but i think i will only have one next gen consoles and it will be either the Revolution or the cheapest one. ( Hope the Rev is the cheapest) |
Gotta say that the bit about the PS3 is a load of Sony hype.
It doesn't have 2 NVidia graphics cards that sell for $500 each.
It has one graphics card that according to them gets the performance of 2 NVidia cards that sell for $500 each.
Before you say that its still worth $1000...based on history its a fair bet that by the time the PS3 comes out, a card of that calibur will cost about $200 retail, less in bulk. The X360 has a similar graphics card, no idea which is better, I'd suspect PS3 *slightly* just because its coming out later.
Rev should be the cheapest though, Nintendo traditionally sells for $250, the GameCube was an exception at $200. |
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redwolf
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Dolfhin @ Tue May 31, 2005 10:53 pm wrote: |
Lik-sang
Play-asia
Ebay America
If you still buy your games in Europa you're doing something really really wrong, you can get twice as much games (or the same amounts of games for half the price) by importing them.
Besides that I'm not buying anything until it's H4X0R$
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300 US dollar is right now 243.8250 Euro |
Yeah we can... but then we need to pay extra import tax, delivery, power converter, RGB scarts, then after we get it. we'll probably have to imports all the games then and thereafter from US (unless i mod it, which is unlikely ATM)
yeah when you do the currency conversion, the European gets ripped off...
I don't know where TD got his info ... but hope it's true >.< |
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Lowbrassman04
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Praxis @ Tue May 31, 2005 11:30 pm wrote: |
Lowbrassman04 @ Tue May 31, 2005 10:21 pm wrote: |
I have a friend that works at a Sam Goody Store and he says you can preorder the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3 for $500 USD.
I agree it is way too much $ for a console. It would make more sense for the 360 to be cheaper than the ps3 cause the ps3 is the most powerful out of the 2 ( with 2 nvidia gfx cards that have a retail about $500 each)
With this generation our family could aford 2 of the home consoles ( i could get an xbox but i would have to get a job ) but i think i will only have one next gen consoles and it will be either the Revolution or the cheapest one. ( Hope the Rev is the cheapest) |
Gotta say that the bit about the PS3 is a load of Sony hype.
It doesn't have 2 NVidia graphics cards that sell for $500 each.
It has one graphics card that according to them gets the performance of 2 NVidia cards that sell for $500 each.
Before you say that its still worth $1000...based on history its a fair bet that by the time the PS3 comes out, a card of that calibur will cost about $200 retail, less in bulk. The X360 has a similar graphics card, no idea which is better, I'd suspect PS3 *slightly* just because its coming out later.
Rev should be the cheapest though, Nintendo traditionally sells for $250, the GameCube was an exception at $200. |
1 Nvidia with the power of 2 i knew it had 1,2 , Nvidia and $500 just wrong wording lol. Most of the games at the ps3 were just CG. But i think at the end of its life cycle or in the middle the graphics will look like those videos. The 360 was the one that interested me the least. I dont care about the marketing of the new live. If that one girl gamer they named in the presconference doesnt play videogames how will she make skate parks? They are going too far with Live. Online gaming is cool but they will how do you say,"Piss in the Pool" if they keep at it. This isnt a good warm sensation. There should be some freedom to watch dvds, have custom sound tracks, ect but makeing a game console a PC...why not...by a PC?
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Praxis
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Lowbrassman04 @ Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:40 am wrote: |
1 Nvidia with the power of 2 i knew it had 1,2 , Nvidia and $500 just wrong wording lol. |
A brief explanation;
In the next few months ATi and NVidia will unroll next generation graphics cards.
The current gen cards are stuff like the NVidia Geforce 6800 Ultra ($500).
Lets look at the past.
The previous top NVidia card of last generation:
NVidia Geforce FX 5900 Ultra ($500)
When the current generation was introduced, there was this card:
NVidia Geforce 6600 GT ($200).
The 6600 GT outperformed the FX 5900 Ultra by two times. One $200 card of the new generation outperformed TWO $500 cards of last generation.
I'm making the ASSUMPTION that the next generation will have a similar increase, therefore, a $200 (retail) card of the next generation will have similar performance to two $500 cards of this current generation.
Of course, generation jumps aren't linear so I could turn out to be completely wrong, but its as accurate a guestimate as any.
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Most of the games at the ps3 were just CG. |
Fight Night Round 3 and the Duckies demo were rendered in real time. The Fight Night demo was very impressive IMO.
Killzone was CG though Sony *claims* thats what it looks like, they just didn't have it real time because the Alpha kits would lag too much (according to them, we'll see).
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But i think at the end of its life cycle or in the middle the graphics will look like those videos. The 360 was the one that interested me the least. I dont care about the marketing of the new live. If that one girl gamer they named in the presconference doesnt play videogames how will she make skate parks? They are going too far with Live. Online gaming is cool but they will how do you say,"Piss in the Pool" if they keep at it. This isnt a good warm sensation. There should be some freedom to watch dvds, have custom sound tracks, ect but makeing a game console a PC...why not...by a PC?
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I do have to agree here.
That whole girl thing really got to me. Seriously, they expect us to buy online merchandise from other people? Why the heck do I care what kind of a skate park that girl that hardly plays games makes, and why should I pay money for it? I dunno, the marketplace thing just...bothered me. The G4TV guys said the same thing, perhaps they and I misunderstood it. I hope so. |
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Damolee
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Spoken to someone who has his business listed as a supplier in the UK, ...different tiers depending on the bundles, they are unifying the bundles this time around rather than just leaving it for Toys R Us, Game etc etc
Wireless ethernet kit and the hard drive will be available in seperate bundle, where the £400 mark comes in!! Extra games, XB Live, hard drive etc
It's not that bad I don't think, spend that on it eventually anyhoo! |
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Damolee
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TheDaddy @ Tue May 31, 2005 7:54 pm wrote: |
The UK retail price is £199 or £189 ... £239 or £229 with a launch title..
Trust me
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Yep dude, I've heard something along those lines, from an offical UK distributor of the 360.
Idea is , to get some functionality of a PC plus a kick arse gaming console to compete with the new gen graphics of a higher end PC without the expense.
That's a good thing I say, and will appeal more to lower income familys... and trust me, there are more of them in the UK than most other developed democratic countries.
Think MS are onto a killer here to be honest, but as I have said before, I will probably buy both PS3 and XB 360 eventually anyhow lol
But nobody forget the new Nintendo, could be suprise ... free online play , power to that of the XB 360 and less of these cute crappy cartooney titles that generally plague Nintendo machines, going to be a hard choice this time around. |
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Lowbrassman04
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Damolee @ Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:57 pm wrote: |
TheDaddy @ Tue May 31, 2005 7:54 pm wrote: |
The UK retail price is £199 or £189 ... £239 or £229 with a launch title..
Trust me
TD |
Yep dude, I've heard something along those lines, from an offical UK distributor of the 360.
Idea is , to get some functionality of a PC plus a kick arse gaming console to compete with the new gen graphics of a higher end PC without the expense.
That's a good thing I say, and will appeal more to lower income familys... and trust me, there are more of them in the UK than most other developed democratic countries.
Think MS are onto a killer here to be honest, but as I have said before, I will probably buy both PS3 and XB 360 eventually anyhow lol
But nobody forget the new Nintendo, could be suprise ... free online play , power to that of the XB 360 and less of these cute crappy cartooney titles that generally plague Nintendo machines, going to be a hard choice this time around. |
Cute Crappy Cartooney titles that was a plague to nintendo...hmm I like mario and luigi. I dont think Link and samus are cartooney looking (excluding link from ww). games sell consoles. These crappy titles made nintendo 2nd world wide sales(GCN, GBA and DS Sales) Sony being #1 and M$ Being #3. Soul Caliber 2 for GCN was the highest selling SCII games for all the consoles. Why? Because Link was a playable character! Franchises/Games Sell Systems. Another example: why did xbox sales shoot up last november? Halo 2. Nintendo isnt all about pokemon. The games that appeal more to children are actually fun for all ages.
Yes Nintendo is hoping to get more 3rd party support this time around and i think thats what hurt it the most. And with online play that will draw more 3rd party devs to the console also the NRV dev kits are verry similar to GCN ones, meaning that it will be easy for devs to make games for NRV. This will increase the Size of its games drastically witht he new disks. Knowledge of the console helps make better games. Ps2 games at launch didnt look as good as god of war.
Oops i just unleashed the inter nintendo fanboy in me lol Sry. |
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redwolf
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Lowbrassman04 @ Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:05 pm wrote: |
Oops i just unleashed the inter nintendo fanboy in me lol Sry. |
Funny thing is, did anyone see this?
http://psp.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=1441
Nintendo Revoluton @ 42.2%
PlayStation 3 @ 39.8%
Xbox 360 @ 18.0%
now i ain't no fanboy i'll buy all when i can and have done in previous. but how the f**k Revolution get the 1st spots, when we don't even know much about the console. Hmmm maybe the Japanese TV and press showed more info about Revolution then rest of the worldd seen, cos they don't want others to copy them, as we all know Nintendo are the "real" creators when it comes to console & games and most of the time their ideas get stolen all the time ?!?!
and this is a intresting found the link in x-scene.
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/manifesto.html
^ funny as well |
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Lowbrassman04
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redwolf @ Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:48 am wrote: |
Lowbrassman04 @ Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:05 pm wrote: |
Oops i just unleashed the inter nintendo fanboy in me lol Sry. |
Funny thing is, did anyone see this?
http://psp.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=1441
Nintendo Revoluton @ 42.2%
PlayStation 3 @ 39.8%
Xbox 360 @ 18.0%
now i ain't no fanboy i'll buy all when i can and have done in previous. but how the f**k Revolution get the 1st spots, when we don't even know much about the console. Hmmm maybe the Japanese TV and press showed more info about Revolution then rest of the worldd seen, cos they don't want others to copy them, as we all know Nintendo are the "real" creators when it comes to console & games and most of the time their ideas get stolen all the time ?!?!
and this is a intresting found the link in x-scene.
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/manifesto.html
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One thing they stole from nintendo was the rumble pack.
The thing is about the pic is that as time went by nintendo had competition. There werent any companies that could compete with the NES, SNES had the Genesis (sold more than snes) n64 had playstation and a little later dreamcast then gamecube with ps2, xbox and dreamcast dies off. Im more excited about ps3 than xbox360. The mtv thing was a let down for me. I figured it would be a live event and not taped the weekend before. They generated hype too early and it the hype was gone by e3. Who wouldnt be excited about online smash bros or downloading Nintendo's entire Gaming library? But seeing the poll numbers shocked me i figured ps3 would be top. |
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Damolee @ Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:57 pm wrote: |
power to that of the XB 360 and less of these cute crappy cartooney titles that generally plague Nintendo machines, going to be a hard choice this time around. |
Most people dismiss those games without a second thought.
Excluding the Mario Party games, name one of those cartooney titles that was crappy.
Zelda: The Wind Waker was absolutely amazing. I hated it until I actually picked it up and played it and was stunned.
Super Mario Sunshine, despite all the complaints about the storyline, was absolutely incredible in the water effects.
Mario Kart Double Dash was great as well.
Don't dismiss games because of Cel shading. I hated Cel shading until I played Nintendo's recent games- they've made me appreciate it and now I'm actually a fan of it.
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These crappy titles made nintendo 2nd world wide sales(GCN, GBA and DS Sales) Sony being #1 and M$ Being #3. |
The GBA actually outsold the PS2.
When looking only at the consoles, it went Sony > Nintendo > Microsoft for console sales except 2004 where Ninty and M$ both tied at 15% market share.
If you count in the GBA and DS, Ninty actually is #1. But thats because there were no other handhelds before this year. |
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