More Anti-Cheater Moderator Features

Kai Regular Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 87

I was thinking for the next release of Kai, moderators (hosts not kai moderators) should have more control over the people who can access their room and more anti-cheater features. I was thinking moderators should be able to have a permanent ban/blacklist, it could be a locally saved file which blocks by IP AND Xbox Mac address. Also it would be nice if moderators (hosts) and maybe even regular users can see IP addresses/xbox MAC addresses. If making IP addresses viewable is a security concern, i think if anybody tried to use this maliciously they already can use packet sniffing/capturing to obtain this information. I just think regular users should have more control over their rooms and game experiences not just moderators and admins.

In summary my ideas

1.) Permanent Ban List/Blacklist stored locally by hosts. Bans use both IP and Xbox Mac Address. This would prevent a player from joining a game/game room if he is in the host ban list. The list could be read from a regular text file, that way users can share lists with clan members/friends.
2.) Visible IP address / MAC Addresses for hosts (maybe even users)

Thanks, just hope you guys consider it, i know this is probably not your priority right, since it might be in bug fixing right now.

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:26 am

i dont like the IP thing

the first idea has some good benefits but some bad costs

overall i dont think this will happen but idk sounds a little interesting

Kai Regular Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 87

heh you can get anyone's IP already just got to do a little work, in linux all the ips scroll by as well, not too hard to do it, its all about putting the control in the hosts hands, too many cheaters get kicked/banned just to come back with another name and do it again, its a system that is easily exploitable, hosts need more control over their room than just temp banning/kicking IMO. I respect your opinion thought, I wanted to see what other people thought about it Smile

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:45 pm

Goto your DOS prompt in your Windows PC that is running the KAI engine and type in netstat -a and then you will see all the ports running on your PC and KAI should be listed there and all the USERS that your playing in a game with and the IP's. For those that seem to think they need this info.

Enjoy

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:37 am

im sure he knows how to do this, he just wants it so that you can ban a persons IP Permenantly...that isnt a feature on kai yet thats what hes trying to get done

Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 0

It's a good idea - and one which I'm happy to listen to. Allowing an engine to know a locally stored list of blackballed xtag's is easy - already on the list for evo8, in fact.. but the IP thing is funky.. most of the folks on kai are dynamic IP.

I'm thinking of a UID for each Kai install.. based on a hash of various system metrics. So your orb knows that JimmyA is BillyD, because he's on the same PC. It's a longshot - but it could just work..

Either way - I'm listening to suggestions on this, and now is the time to get them in.

TD

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:52 am

that is one of the best idea's so far!! not that i want to mention xbc, but it works brillant over there. then losers who hack, or have big mouths, can be controlled and isolated, then they would have to go drive eachother insane!!! Wink

just block that pc ip, then we can say bye to all the drama and non-sense! not to mention, these people who do hack, dont deserve the privlage, of playing on kai! when i first came over here 7-8 months ago, kai was so clean, and ever since madmax aka pink flyod started playing again with his pal sublime things have gone to shit, in the ba community! Mad

i think a rule change is in order too, have 0 tolarence, when it comes to hacking, not even in private rooms! u allow it there, they always will bring it out into the full community!!! Very Happy

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:58 pm

I think I kind of agree with the people that said that blocking IPs would be kinda funky, only because I wouldn't really want my IP shown around on the internet more than it already is, lol. But I like the idea of banning specific "XTags".

Kai Lover Joined: 23 May 2004 Posts: 585

First off I despise cheating in any form, but I see a problem with a 0 tolerance for hacking..... bear with me here, breathe out count to 10 and carry on reading.....

Take the 16 player hack for RB6BA as an example. I think it is generally seen by the RB6 community to be a good thing but its still an unofficial after retail mod to the orginal program and therefore a hack.

Again I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. I just want to point out that every decision has its consequences and a 0 % tolerance for hacks in games might also have a negative impact on the community.

Also on a practical level how do you prevent hacking, how is it enforced? Kai is a free service remember... I agree that its should be all or nothing but on a pratical level 0% tolerance for hacking is difficult to enforce even on Xbox Live.

The current system of telling tales and bitching and calling people out in forums, is not a really a very sustainable solution. It could easilly be abused, should people have personality clashes and dissolve into a witch hunt...

Its a bloody difficult one for TeXlink to manage to everyone's complete satisfaction anyway. We, users, should be understanding of that.

Personally I think the current system is fine, but the suggested addition of IP banning by hosts would make it even better because it puts even more control over who we play with into our own hands.

You think they hack ban them, and you never have to play with them again, simple.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:17 am

yup that is what i am saying, let the host of games have more control! make it so the hosts can kick nutbar's and hackers out of their room, and know those fools could never come back, cuz of the perm ban!!!
then all the host out there that have a good server can keep it as clean as can be, no ignorent mouths, no hackers, just good ole fun, with no worries of the 2 main things that ruin games or gaming in general!!! Wink

PERM BAN OPTION IN PROGRAM FOR HOSTS!!!!!!!!
VOTE YES. Laughing

Kai Enthusiast Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 210

I figured this was in the works for evo8, good stuff and more good stuff I say. If cheaters had to fear these things it would certainly be much less.

Team XLink Administrator Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 3354

I would like to see some settings for the host of a private room. Options where I can set to block anyone with (T) in their name, and auto kick anyone if their ping goes above the average ping in the room. Really anything that might seem helpful to have it added as an option that can be changed at any time. Things like;

Room open/closed
Auto Kick (options for the kick)
Auto Ban (options for the ban)
Change Description (without closing room)
Pass host of room off to someone else.
And so on (if anyone else has more suggestions)

I am not sure if this is possible, just a thought.

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:20 pm

This option worked great while hosting in XBC and I do not see why it wont be a good option over here. Good hosts could keep their room stable by blocking the known hackers and having a max ping set to keep their rooms from lagging the best they can.

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:36 pm

SS-Funk @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:27 pm wrote:

I would like to see some settings for the host of a private room. Options where I can set to block anyone with (T) in their name, and auto kick anyone if their ping goes above the average ping in the room. Really anything that might seem helpful to have it added as an option that can be changed at any time. Things like;

Room open/closed
Auto Kick (options for the kick)
Auto Ban (options for the ban)
Change Description (without closing room)
Pass host of room off to someone else.
And so on (if anyone else has more suggestions)

I am not sure if this is possible, just a thought.

To add to that, what about the host giving rights to certain people in their room to kick others out. This would work great when the host is a dedicated box and the host is away.

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:04 pm

i got a idea .....
if you could set it up so the host could click a button or everyone in the room could,if they think someone is cheating (they may not be) but this way you could have a list of possible hackers you could save the names,times,and dates.
then give the the list and ill find them, an find out if they cheat

Kai Regular Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 108

SS-Funk @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:27 pm wrote:

Options where I can set to block anyone with (T) in their name, and auto kick anyone if their ping goes above the average ping in the room. .

I gotta say that there are few people on kai that will not like it if this came in......... YES me included

The whole ping issue has come up before and you can not say 100% that a high ping equals lag....

I and others who play from overseas play often and dont cause lag to a room.

Please lets not start doing this

Kai Admirer Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 400

Sandy we got a "T" in our name and we got high pings. I think Funk is giving us a hint Crying or Very sad

I can say if that ping option was implemented, I would be dissapointed due to the number of servers I could play on. I'll be like XBC. Enter server, kicked for high ping. Enter another server, kicked for high ping. Oh what fun i'm having. On the other hand, people will have people on their servers with nice pings.

Team XLink Administrator Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 3354

Guys, its an option. Not something that every room will have. So if I want to host for 8 people on Halo 2 with my crap connection I can do so with little to no distance lag.

And if you think about it, who's name starts with a T thats not in a clan? Very Happy

Just joking TD Very Happy

Kai Lover Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 522

dredd, you and sandy are always welcome in my server.

and keep this in mind as far as ping is concerned: when someone joins a game, or during a map change, pings can spike up temporarily. its better to talk to the person who is pinging high, make sure they aren't still downloading that midget porn Razz

if they dont respond, are mutes or have a different kai tag which is not even close to matching their in-game name, you use the powers vested in you (host) and kindly bumping them out.

this way, you wait out the spikes, you give the person(s) pinging high to rectify (if possible), or at the last resort: the host of the game can bump people out.

Kai Lover Joined: 27 Feb 2005 Posts: 615

Blackballing IPs is tough, yes... but there is the MAC of the device itself. While this can be faked on the other end eventually, it is easier than making a hash of a particular install, and has the same effect.