Xlink : KAI 8 Discussion

Team XLink Administrator Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 3354

Nice explanation TD. Makes more sense now.

Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 1:03 pm

Ah thanks an excellent explanation Daddy Very Happy

Just one questions left, can you explain quick what port spectrum exactly is. I can't find much about it on Google and it seems to be a big improvement Very Happy

Thanks in advance

Kai Lover Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 522

[_Dp_]~Jonny~ @ wrote:

even down to the XIG i was workgn on for my tourney site

there is only one one.
there is only one XIG.
if you created something similiar, can you name it something else?

Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 0

Just as an update to my last post about XBC's new packet mechanism, I read this quote:

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Dramatic reduction in bandwidth needed results in less lag in your games.

From Tod over there.. Now, appears that Tod is a little confused over exactly what he's done here. Dramatic reduction in bandwidth, for sure - you're cutting the headers right down - but "less lag in your games". That's not the case I'm afraid. Lag is caused by 2 things - 1.) Ping time between the players. We can do *nothing at all about this* - ever - apart from making sure the data goes through our software as fast as possible. 2.) Not maxing out your bandwidth. That's right - *not maxing it out*. Reducing bandwidth used does not equal less lag - unless you were using *all* your bandwidth before.

What XBC's new build does, means that as opposed to using say 150kbps upstream for your game, you'll be using 135kbit. Now that's great - but it changes nothing if you have 256kbit upstream. Now, if you could host 8 on BA before, you could probably host 10 with this - fair enough - but I'm not sure if the instability it causes and the lack of support for TCP, ARP, whatever is worth it - but it could certainly be an option.

Not knocking Tod - it's brave to force a release on users with this in - I think I'll just see how badly it breaks before I make any decisions about resurrecting it in Kai Very Happy

TD

Team XLink Administrator Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 4061

TheDaddy @ Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am wrote:

There's loads of us going now duke .. you up for it mate?

TD

I wish i could my friend, but i got the hookers and dope sorted for august ..LOL

If anyone is up for going in august, thats when i`ll be there

Cool

Team XLink Moderator Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 1536

duke_uk @ Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am wrote:

I was looking to goto Amsterdam myself in june, but its now gonna be in late august.

Can you bring me back a souvenir? you know them moving items seen in the windows in Amsterdam. I would love to have one of them top of my desk Smile

Kai Lover Joined: 20 Oct 2004 Posts: 638

the:one-xr @ Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am wrote:

[_Dp_]~Jonny~ @ wrote:

even down to the XIG i was workgn on for my tourney site

there is only one one.
there is only one XIG.
if you created something similiar, can you name it something else?

Sir, - He was talking about your beautiful project that you made. He has horrible english that dutch bastard!

Kai Enthusiast Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 210

SS-Funk @ wrote:

boxo-XR @ wrote:

Mastaful @ Thu Jan 01, 1970 5:00 am wrote:

is kai 8 or kai 9 eventually goin to become FireChain or is this a different project?

I believe FireChain is another project. A game I think. Realtime strategy maybe....

I thought it was a news site about Dick Chainey Embarassed

So then it's not a sausage tribute site?

Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:33 pm

I'd like a direct response to this please...

Surely you've considered adding functionality similar to Live's matchmaking service? Doesnt it make sense to be able to filter servers at the push of a button? Instead of trawling through server after server listed "JOIN NOW - NO LAG!!!" only to find it's in Korea or somewhere, but even to filter player numbers, maps, basically everything Gamespy or All Seeing Eye encompasses.

The Kai8 read was very inspiring, keep up the good work.

Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 8:30 pm

My first post, heh

XBC's new Xbox tunnel is the fastest there is right now. This is a fact. The bandwidth reduction will equal less lag and all users can and have confirmed that. Ping will be directly effected by how saturated your internet connection is. Ping google, then download an MP3 and ping google while the download is in progress you will see the difference. There is nothing we can do to improve your base, non loaded, ping but we are certainly helping keep it down. Example, Halo 2 sends out packets every 40 milliseconds. Xlink adds 42 bytes to each one. XBC adds 1. Xmelee, please, don't insult Andy or myself.

Xlink covers more consoles than XBC does so adding this type of algorithm would probably not serve Xlink very well. I have always focused on the Xbox because that is the console I prefer. I commend Andy for being able to do this. I fully understand why his tunnel works the way it does and I would do exactly the same thing. Because I focus on the Xbox, I have the luxury of tuning the tunnel for the Xbox.

Now, lets keep the XBC bashing to a minimum Smile

Tod
XBconnect

Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 0

Hey Tod,

Yeah I was wrong just up there - I assumed you were going for the (risky) injection of UDP onto the WAN interface. Whatever header work you're doing now is news to me - I spent some serious time on that stuff with RC2 - and could get no further than +4bytes - so nice job on the new core - 1 byte overhead is *real* progress - especially for hosts of big games.

I look forward to watching how your guys react to this - I still believe that the benefit is mainly for large hosts - but as you say, the proof is in the pudding - the users feedback will be important.

Either way - good to see you pop your head up here - hope you post some more.

TD

Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 0

Oh yeah... "you sux0rz teh big 0ne bi4tch" (just for the kids Wink

)

TD

Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 8:50 pm

LOL

Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:17 pm

hi...

absolutely great what u guys are doing...!!!

but ia have one question (maybe a few more Wink

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what does this mean?:

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Then let's add a completely integrated tourney subsystem - where anyone can make a quick tourney for their friends, enemies, clan, whatever - and have it automatically controlled by the software. The results of that event get recorded on your very own Scorecard - along with your XIG imagery from the match (built in to 8's shiny ground-up new UI).

does it mean that the results of a game can be recorded by the software?
and puts them into the scoreboard....??
cant wait to see all this new stuff... Very Happy

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:19 am

so, when is Evo VIII coming out?

Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 3:32 am

Shadow, do you ever read anything? Stop trying to spam every thread to boost your post count. Can you say, forum whore?

Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 9:15 am

Now... What happened to 'respect other users'... But I see your point.

Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 10:28 am

Well we did delete a fair bunch of his first posts, if I remember, there were about 4 posts on the same thing, and cross-posting galore.

Team XLink Administrator Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 3354

Yeah Tod, good to see you on the other side of the fence.

Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:10 pm

hmm.. thats cool that XBC is doing well.. and i do keep both tunnels on my PC at all times. mostly to see how has mroe on at the moment. lol.. But Its nto even the "lag" that made me choose tunnels OR the amount of game support.. it was the community that greated me with open arms over at XLink. Funk knows what im talking about. Him and Taz were 2 of the big factors for me to choose XLink. XBC has always worked fine for me.. not nocking the tunnel at all. Respect goes to anyone htat cna even get something like this working(even xmelee and gamespy). well.. maybe not gamespy. ha ha. Anyways.. Just thought Tod should see a personal reason of why someone taht wanted to help out his community chose to go otherwise... Becasue I played XBC before XLink and offeded the same to them before i offered it to XLink and i got pushed away. cya

Jonny