Proposed new signup procedure

Nintendo Specialist Joined: 23 Jun 2004 Posts: 1889

They wont ban people for not playing everyday (they dont do it now). With other consoles there arent as many way to communicate with each other in game. Some cheats dont even run in LAN mode. The main problem is the xbox arena and maybe the ps2 (socom2) I played socom2 and everyone was cheating. ps2, and xbox games support voice communication (at this point).

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:54 pm

I'm basing my thoughts off this from taz:

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Standard Member = Standard registration, agreement to follow AUP. Limited access / features
Member under Probation = Invited Member but under 14 day probation period, Some areas / features unlocked, after sucessful probation period becomes full member.
Full Member = access Full access (Member Section) enhanced features. ability to upgrade Standard members to probationaly members (limited power)
Mods / Admins = Full Access unlimited Invites, ability to ban / downgrade Members.

Since I don't play often, I don't really know anyone in particular. I sign up as a standard member under this system, which has "Limited access / features". A full member can invite me, but because the full member has had these other areas unlocked, what full member in their right mind will stay in the standard member area to invite people when the standard member area is full of the problem children? This problem magnifies itself when you play in the much smaller subset of the PSP community and when you don't play every day. How does a good (in the community sense) player get promoted in this instance?

(off-topic)I would play DS on here too, but trying to get it to work on here got dropped a while back. Maybe they'll try again once the regular 802.11b works with Mario-Kart DS, etc. I don't ever see anyone playing GameCube, so I haven't tried to play MKDD. I just got a PS2, so maybe once I get a game that plays on here I'll try that out.

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:04 pm

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what full member in their right mind will stay in the standard member area to invite people when the standard member area is full of the problem children?

If this were to happen (The whole "Full/Standard/Probabtion" thing) I would gladly go to the "Wasteland" area to scout out people to invite because I would like to add to the community. Then again I might not be in my right mind... Shocked

Kai Beginner Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 54

That's certainly helpful. Thanks Nirvanafan.

I must say that I share in whoistylerdurden's concerns because I'm only on Kai to play Armored Core Nexus (and soon Nine Breaker) for the PS2, which is a very niche game. Not many people play it in general, let alone online. I know I've said this many times before, but I'm just adding my voice to his. Personally, I'd be willing to vote in other people like him and myself who aren't on much and only play the small rooms or close-knit communities. That is, if I get voted in. Plus, I'd have to help build the AC user base.

If worst comes to worst, so long as we can still establish private matches and it's not limited so that it doesn't work like current Xlink Kai, us smaller communities could just live in the "Wastelands". It's not like we see any of these lamers in our areas now, so I can't imagine it would be much different in the Wastelands. My main concern with that is just how "limited" it will be.

And if DS support ever happens, I'd be happy to give that a try as well. Being that I don't have a PSP I can't play online with my handheld...yet...

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:03 pm

Yeah... "limited" is very broad and generic, and I'm sure they don't even know what limited means yet. I just worry that I won't be able to do the things I can do now by being a limited user.

Kai Beginner Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 54

That's why I don't miss an opportunity to chime in about us little guys. Laughing

Kai Spammer Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 1112

ya us small guys try to look at the brite side...hopefully this will turn out well

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:17 am

Ok ima start out with a question and hopefully im right or ima feel like a JA.

ok is this about XLINK 8 being very exclusive to people who actually are full time members of this site.(like admins and mods)

if it is i have something to say. why? what about the honest players that love the game but are not noticed by many people? what about the people that have fun with the game but are not very good at it and will probably never be noticed?

this is MY comment and i actually am happy about this new sign up procedure because it will keep the bad guys out but i also desigree with this because it will keep the good guys out to.

and one last time these are MY comments.
thnx

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:21 am

Kai VIII will not be exclusive to mods and admins, you'll most likely play. The idea has evolved basically 21 times (every page Laughing

) You should take a look at page 17, taz's post, and that is where a lot of the newer ideas seem to come from.

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:57 pm

yes but you will stilll have to be invited in by a person who has it.

correct? what about the people that arent noticed or arent in a clan?

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:26 am

Hi all, Wow its all changed here, I joined 21 May 2004, and due to not having a lot of time because of personal reasons, I havent been able to spend as much time as i would have like on kai, So I have a suggestion, How about letting those people who have been regisitered with you for some amount of time (say those that registered as soon as kai was released) and of whom you have never had any complaints aboutg et straight in and have a full blown account?

Anyways keep up the good work, kai rocks......

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:41 am

hey fellas,

just wanted to say thanks for all your hard work. You all make Xlink what it is today and for that I say thanks. If it weren't for those code poets/developers we would all be stuck paying for Xlive that has the same problems with cheaters/jackass people. I like the idea of getting sponsored and having some responsibility for letting idiots play.

I have loved Kai for some time and my buddies and I play every Tuesday night and sometimes during the week. Poobahh, n8dawg,-Aids-,ic3berg,Dire means and so on. We have about 10-12 that play with us from around the US. We play just Halo2 and are know as LAP clan if you must label us a clan. I have taken beatings and given beatings always run a clean server know in americas as n8dawg. My question to you and maybe somewere in the 21 pages of posts I missed it, is how can me and my buddies continue our h2uesdays as we call them? If we donate 5 bucks to you guys for kicking ass and bring us a killer app will be be able to keep going with VIII? I guess to sum up my rambling is that I want to thank all those who help dev this project that gave up something so I/We the other guys I play with could have so much fun with it.

So thanks again and keep us in mind when handing out the invites and ask around if anyone has played with us they will tell you that we are honest guys just having fun letting off some steam but honest play is what we demand and ignorant people that have to use comments about other people and their race.........clue up nobody likes a cheater/hater

Peace Out

LAP isosceles and all the other members of our "clan" come by and say hi we are always on h2uesdays americas n8dawg 1.5meg upload

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:24 am

i spose im not like the last post
i never play halo2
i have a stack of sick games but there is never anyone playin them online, whats going on
fuck online halo 2
u do get the feelin that whatever restrictions u place, people are only gunna play h2 and people will be people, rude/cheating/racist

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 2:21 am

I've read over the posts, i haven't looked at them all in detail but i would like to get my input out about this. Given the nature of this, PLEASE excuse anything i "double" post about or has already been discussed -most likely, as i look back through the thread after this post i will see it. As well, a few of these thoughts may be slightly incomplete (sp) and i will expand on them as i look back over the post and input.

The first thing you'll notice about me is i have no posts - nor will i be familar from kai, i play on private arenas (for the most part) with a few ferinds from a small IRC community. I really fear that such a system will butcher the players like myself who are quite fine, anti-cheat but don't know anyone.

I fear that invites and user based bannings will only result in "eliteist" additues and abuse - rather directly or indirectly. For example, maybe i'am playing with a younger player on RTCW and i accidently pick up the medic pack ment for him, and i get ban input and a hoard of cussing. I'am pretty sure they'll be an appeal system, correct? As far as invites and people recuriting thier own little army, i see pretty much the same- Whats going to make me invite new blood (outside of my ferinds i know that are trust worthy) if they can go and get me banned?(even if for a fixed time period). I know that in former posts the topic was discussed of those recurited by recurits not applying to you, and i hope that's so- and of course, what about community? What's to stop the higher up gamers from not really paying attention to "the noobs" (be they actual noobs or just new to kai) comeing? Or with a star game system- no one joining, going to more popluated arenas with better players, or holding invites over people's heads?
Perhaps there should be a unmoderated area; and it made noticeable that this is so, "the wastelands"-where anyone can go and play, any rank, any number of games etc, but limited in un-important, but useful features; instead of haveing to get invites into "the real areas" by a sponsor; so if i just want to jump in and play i will be able.

I think the banning system would be better handled by grouping people into "groups" with a MP (or "military police"). New users would be automatically grouped with a "clan" (allowing for established clans and creation of new clans and transfers) With which they could place, and gameing events could be sponsored through these groups, perhaps freindships could grow, and community be fostered. Each "clan" would have a 'MP' a mature 'commander" of a user whose's job it would be to enforce that the players he plays with regualry behave. (Requirements for such a role, such as being 18+, would have to be worked out.) Of course users might not wish to play with there given group, so outside of a 'clan" system (if a user leaves thier clan or given one), other users could files compliants with the MP assigned to that user, who could then have a chat with them. If they don't shape up, he/she would forward the message to xlink mod to have the user taken care of, or/also to the commander of thier clan, if need be. Perhaps established clans would need 'co" and "mp" ranks?

This is really basic idea- it needs to be fleshed out more and i would like to post on it more once i do more thinking upon it.

Kai Enthusiast Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 287

ive got to say i agree with the above post, for example, i play with a few players from the ridge racers community, thats about 20 people, none of us sort of "know" any mods or people that are likely to get in early and there fore how are we meant to play it....

and also i agree there needs to be some sort of appeal system, for example, there was this guy on RR that was very bad at the game (hed clearly just got it) so anyway ive completed the single player, and im one of the best on xlink at RR so any way i beat him by a fair amout, (half a lap or so) and he instantly accuses me of cheating he doesnt even ask about it (ive found out it was because i was lagging) (which i carent help its jsut the distantence between us (some 3000 miles causes the lag) and somebody that lags on this game, apears to go thru the walls and flie and stuff) i then got a pm saying he was going to try and get me banned and wouldnt lissen when i explained about the lagging, so what happns if that person then bans me, when i clearly havent done anything ???

Kai Enthusiast Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 287

Lowbrassman04 @ Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:06 pm wrote:

They wont ban people for not playing everyday (they dont do it now). With other consoles there arent as many way to communicate with each other in game. Some cheats dont even run in LAN mode. The main problem is the xbox arena and maybe the ps2 (socom2) I played socom2 and everyone was cheating. ps2, and xbox games support voice communication (at this point).

i see your point about socom, but the fact is, people come on socom on xlink to cheat, there is a well astablished online (yes central station) community where you get banned for cheating, so they come here and cheat to their hearts content

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:15 am

im very sorry to dig this up, i have no idea how far down the board this is and i hate gravedigging as much as the next guy, but i do have an idea, and i assume the topic is still open to debate.

im under the unknown but honest catagory; ill never get back in under the proposed system.

so, naturally id like to do it a different way.

my idea is a fusion between the newgrounds voting system and the maplestory faming system.

heres how it works, anyone can sign up and play, just as they do now, and they start with a faming ability of 0.10. this means that they can raise or lower someones rating by 0.10.
they also start with a rating of 10.
if that new player sees something untoward happening, he can choose to lower the offenders rating by his faming ability, which is at the moment 0.10.
the offender isnt told who dunnit to reduce revenge rating lowerings.
if he was to, in turn, see someone doing something good, he could raise that persons rating by 0.10.
if a persons rating drops below 0, that person is banned.

that new player plays for a while, doing nothing wrong, and people see that, raising his rating.
as his rating increases, so does his faming ability. this way, a person could not make a whole lot of accounts to get someone banned, but honest users could purge the realm of racist riffraff. also as people lose rating, their faming ability drops.

obviously, admins would start with a higher or maybe even unlimited rating and faming ability, and some precautions would have to be made to stop people dropping fame levels because of anger or pwnage.

Kai Beginner Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 54

Magician @ Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:21 pm wrote:

Perhaps there should be a unmoderated area; and it made noticeable that this is so, "the wastelands"-where anyone can go and play, any rank, any number of games etc, but limited in un-important, but useful features; instead of haveing to get invites into "the real areas" by a sponsor; so if i just want to jump in and play i will be able.

Here's what taz said back on Page 17:

taz @ Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:15 pm wrote:

Heres a breif outline of what I think would be a system that would please the most people and be effective. (all numbers tentative)

Standard Member = Standard registration, agreement to follow AUP. Limited access / features
Member under Probation = Invited Member but under 14 day probation period, Some areas / features unlocked, after sucessful probation period becomes full member.
Full Member = access Full access (Member Section) enhanced features. ability to upgrade Standard members to probationaly members (limited power)
Mods / Admins = Full Access unlimited Invites, ability to ban / downgrade Members.

All kai moderated by a team of mods that is choosen by the Admins. (however they cant be everywhere at once.

Only Mod / admins can ban/downgrade members.

Members are able to report other members for unacceptable behaviour, this will be reviewed by the modering team, an email will also be sent to the accused and the member who invited the accused as applicable. (not disclosing the information of the reporter)
Not only will we look for trends on the reported member, but also on the reportee's and the inviters of those concerned.

Full members will have 5 invites when they first get promoted, you get an extra 2 invites when your invitee becomes a Full member. (eg. Pete has 5 invites he invites his mate John so now has 4 invites left, once John completes his Probation Pete gains 2 invites giving his total invites to 6)

If someone you invited gets banned you lose 1 invite, (this would be the one that you gained when they got promoted)

Again trends will be monitored to check that members are not abusing the invite feature and letting in too many who would be considered unsociable.

All Moderating decisions will be based on guidlines that are discussed and agreed by the Mod + Admin team so that uniformity of punishments can be decided, but ultimatly it will be down to the moderator who looks at the ticket to the action that is taken, and may be based on volume of reports as well as content.

The Member who invited you to the full service may have some say on the punishment levied as they have been sent an email, and will be able to respond accordinglly, this input will be taken account off, as well as any response from the accused.

Reports will be issued as soon as they are issued so that mods who are keeping an eye on the list may be able to witness the events as they are happening.

As you can see, there will be a "wasteland" area which would pretty much be full of "Standard" users. So long as "limited" isn't much below what we have with Evo7 (and this hasn't been specified from what I've seen), I suppose it's possible for smaller, tight-knit communities to stick together and play. And should one or any of us manage to become a full member, then you can make the move to vote in other respective members of your community. The real problem then is how to "get in".

It's also important to note that only moderators and administrators have the power to ban or downgrade players. This is important because they can use their best discresion when dealing with situations like the previously mentioned lagging. The other player can whine all he wants, but it's still up to the mod/admin. It puts more work on them than the proposed system, in which we would be policing ourselves, but it's about the same as it is now.