Will Kai influence game development on GC??

Kai Regular Joined: 22 May 2004 Posts: 94 Location: Sweden

TheDaddy.

Well, why dont the crew/admin guy be the good guys, and DONT make this type of remarks, let the LOSER fanboys do it and then when they say it just say:

Hey let it go...

Oh, blw, watch it, I might just make your "rumor" about the car become truth... Wink

Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 0

Thats my point - the admins / mods *here* are good guys, they just don't take any crap - and I don't blame them at all for that. Remember - none of us had even heard of WPP until front page news was posted on the WPP about "Intellectual Property Violation"...

You can't expect people who love what they do as much as the guys here not to react - and to be honest, you can't expect them not to hold a grudge.

Childish? Maybe... but well.. "You started it Razz

"

TD

Kai Regular Joined: 22 May 2004 Posts: 94 Location: Sweden

About the SK theft, drop it.

I can't say you DID or DID NOT steal anything so I don't really care about it.

Of course they should not take all the crap, but they should even so be big boy and let the "kids" make fools of themselves.

I mean, it been a LONG time ago I've seen Chad making a post like yours.

He often just say, Let it go, or thats over with or something like that now days.

You do It too, it's just the fanboys below you that won't let it go, you guys should be the people they look up to coz you won't go in to it anymore.

btw,

I don't rally care if I play with Kai/WP, all I want is a functional LAN->Internet service for the Cube. (However, I like the WP GUI (or the lack of better right now)

Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 11:16 am

As speaking from a mod point of view( and also someone who has goten to know these guys very well ever since I saw that the cube was goin to be supported Smile

) I think that TD has every right to do what he want and yes all of us mods do not take any crap from neone.

I do think it needs be be droped but seriously do all of the ppl over at the wpp really think that they are going to somehow get game devss to start supporting lan ( mainly wpp ) in their games just because some college kid has told them bout his fanboy app that tunnels the cube code. I highly dount that it will ever happen and is not to cool to keep telling little 10-15 yr old kids that its goin to happen just so they stay there.

-kj05

Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 0

<sigh> Ok.. yes, Chad is god and Chad is light and Chad has never said anything bad about anyone or ever done anything wrong in his whole life. He is the best project manager in the world, period...

Oh wait - no - he actually does most of his stuff in private - such as ninja deleting posts which expose him as an asshole, or spewing shit like this:

Quote:

Andy says:
hi man, look

Andy says:
i agree with what ure saying about stopping this shit, i just wanna know one thing..

Andy says:
just one..

Andy says:
*why* do you think we have stolen anything / will steal anything?? and why do we have a "history" of it?

Chad Paulson says:
You have stolen our linux alpha code.

Chad Paulson says:
We took away the browse cvs feature.

Andy says:
ok.. seriously, and honestly, we havent stolen *anything* - i've not even seen it

Chad Paulson:
You are confusing the situation.

Chad Paulson says:
Your xbox code has nothing to do with warp pipe.

Andy says:
yes - it does

Andy says:
xbox mac prefix = 0050F2, GC = 0009BF

Chad Paulson says:
It's more than a matter of setting up a MAC filter.

Andy says:
thats what i tried to say at first

Andy says:
we work on a different level to WPP - we're a frame tunnel.

Andy says:
we just route the actual raw packet data

Andy says:
we dont even look at the payload

Chad Paulson says:
So, in order to get your "inspiration", you got the Warp Pipe code.

Chad Paulson says:
Again, you do what you want.

Andy says:
we need to sort this out

Chad Paulson says:
What is on the front page is a warning.

Chad Paulson says:
I think we already have sorted it out.

Andy says:
i dont

Andy says:
you have called me a thief

Andy says:
read the post

Chad Paulson says:
I don't recall saying that.

Chad Paulson:
I dont' see "Andy is a theif"

Andy says:
"The fact is, stealing source has been an issue in the past with Xlink."

Andy says:
and from earlier

Andy says:
"We know for a fact that they stole out prealpha code"

Andy says:
ive said this so much.. but ill say it again

Andy says:
we didnt... we dont even tunnel it the same way as you

Chad Paulson says:
Yes, I don't see that on the front page either.

Andy says:
we get an ethernet frame, wrap the whole thing in a udp packet, and send it over the net

Chad Paulson says:
And yes, you snaked our source and read our cube spec.

Andy says:
i'd never heard of you until the planetgamecube guy emailed me asking for an interview

Chad Paulson says:
If it wasn't for that, you wouldn't know that the cube uses upnp and xlink wouldn't work with the gcn.

Andy says:
i dont care whether GCN uses UPNP... whether it does or doesnt, means nothing to me

Andy says:
it could use IPX to communicate - or a totally proprietary protocol... we dont even see it

Chad Paulson says:
And caught you in a lie when you said you've never seen my spec, but then i posted a link to your board that details that you and your team have read the spec.

Andy says:
on planetgamecube?

Chad Paulson says:
Again, you must be ignorant.

Chad Paulson says:
You must care about upnp.

Chad Paulson says:
It's a core part of the cube's communication. I will stop right there because I don't want you using any more of our ideas than you hvae already made yourself available too.

Andy says:
just cut the BS and tell exactly *how* you've come to the conclusion that we stole anything

Chad Paulson says:
The fact is, we do not want you looking at our code or our forums.

Andy says:
UPNP is something which has been around for years man

Chad Paulson says:
Again, that's fine.

Andy says:
its used by xlink to get routers to open ports... nothing more

Andy says:
is that what this is about?

Chad Paulson says:
I'm not saying UPNP is proprietary, but you must care about it in order to modify your code.

Andy says:
uve seen the "UPNP" thing in xlink?

Andy says:
no

Andy says:
we dont

Chad Paulson says:
I was the one that discovered that UPNP is utilized by the cube.

Andy says:
we use damn DHCP for the cubes for gods sake

Andy says:
fine

Andy says:
i dont argue that u did

Andy says:
but we didnt even know

Andy says:
it doesnt work that way in xlink

Andy says:
i take it u use winpcap - yeah ?

Andy says:
do u must know about ethernet frames data, and how tunelling works - surely?

Andy says:
like i keep saying - its a totally different OSI layer.. xlink will tunnel *anything* which communicates using ethernet frames

Chad Paulson says:
I'm well aware of that.

Chad Paulson says:
You are going to run into problems doing that, but thats your deal.

Chad Paulson says:
I'm done talking to you about this.

Andy says:
i dont claim to know a massive amount about the GCN protocols..

Chad Paulson says:
Your software does not work with GCN.

Chad Paulson says:
And I don't think it ever will.

Andy says:
heh

Chad Paulson says:
Just leave us and our code, project, and users alone.

Andy says:
thats an interesting assumption

Andy says:
i will leave u to it completely.. just please remove your front page news.. its nonsense

Chad Paulson says:
It was not an assumption. It was an opinion.

Chad Paulson says:
No

Chad Paulson says:
You did not remove our fucking code.

Andy says:
?

Chad Paulson says:
Why should I remove the truth of what happened.

Chad Paulson says:
You had the chance to remove the link to our source off of your page.

Andy says:
because you clearly dont know what happened...

Andy says:
i dont see why ure doing all this

Chad Paulson says:
You, instead, decided to reply to it.

Andy says:
surely you must understand that im not gonna sit here and let u spew shit like that on your homepage?

Andy says:
you have no basis for any of it

Andy says:
you never have had

Andy says:
ure just trying to stir some shit up, so more people will notice you - because ure pissed that we got a few interviews or whatever.... is that what all this is about?

Chad Paulson says:
We dont' need this for people to notice us.

Andy says:
then why do it?

Chad Paulson says:
We'd rather not have to deal with things like this.

Chad Paulson says:
YOU started it.

Andy says:
i think just about everyone knows we didnt take anything of yours..

Andy says:
er..

Chad Paulson says:
YOU had the chance to end it.

Andy says:
how did we start it?

Chad Paulson says:
By replying to the thread instead of deleting it. You contributed to the violation. Not to mention our past history.

Andy says:
hah.. ok ... let's move onto the "sourcecode violation"

Andy says:
firstly,

Andy says:
the guy who posted it... it was his first post on xbox-scene... he signed up like 1 min before that

Chad Paulson says:
It was our oversight.

Andy says:
secondly

Chad Paulson says:
It was our fault.

Chad Paulson says:
But you didn't do anything to help the situation. Further, you did more to hurt it.

Andy says:
what he did wasnt "bad" ... he pointed out some source on a public CVS

Andy says:
heh

Andy says:
to help?

Chad Paulson says:
That is protected under a closed source license.

Chad Paulson says:
Therefore it shouldn't be there!

Andy says:
it's your CVS server... i can only assume that whatever you put there, is public

Chad Paulson says:
Again, taht is our fault.

Chad Paulson says:
And we are dealing with SF about that.

Andy says:
and if u read my post, all i said is that if its there and it shouldnt be, it should be removed

Andy says:
what i dont get,

Andy says:
is how you attach that stuff to xlink

Chad Paulson says:
No

Chad Paulson says:
You edited your post.

Andy says:
if the guy had have gone to IGN and posted there, would you accuse IGN of trying to steal things from you?

Chad Paulson says:
I read the "interesting... " post you initially wrote.

Chad Paulson says:
IGN is not a direct competitor.

Chad Paulson says:
Although we would be upset, it looks really bad for you to host such a thing.

Andy says:
oh chad

Andy says:
you poor fool

Chad Paulson says:
Especially, again, given our history

Andy says:
i "edited" it did i?

Andy says:
then why the FUCK doesnt it say "This post was edited on..." etc..

Andy says:
?

Andy says:
eh?

Andy says:
we've actively tried to stay away from your userbase

Andy says:
we're a tunnel for xbox owners with GCN's

Chad Paulson says:
Oh, really?

Andy says:
read my articles, interviews, etc.

Chad Paulson says:
Is that why you insist on posting in my forum?

Andy says:
read my entire post history

Andy says:
all of it

Chad Paulson says:
And allowing your users to post our code on your forum when you know damn well that we aren't an open source project anymore?

Andy says:
ive only ever posted on your boards when someone has lied about us

Andy says:
mate,

Andy says:
remember,

Chad Paulson says:
That is your problem. You take no responsibility for yourself or the others on your team.

Andy says:
they arent *our boards*

Andy says:
their xbox-scene boards

Chad Paulson says:
You have the right to moderate them.

Andy says:
anyone can use them - for any reason

Andy says:
yes

Chad Paulson says:
You can edit and delete posts.

Andy says:
so ure saying i should have deleted his post?

Chad Paulson says:
So you have a responsibility.

Chad Paulson says:
And you had the opportunity to correct things. But you chose to let the situation get worse.

Andy says:
like i said... so ure saying i should have deleted it?

Chad Paulson says:
Yes

Andy says:
Why?

Chad Paulson says:
Why do you want me to delete the news on my front page?

Andy says:
because it is not true

Andy says:
if the post on my board was a lie, I would have removed it

Andy says:
ok - the guy was pissed about something when he wrote it

Andy says:
whatever

Chad Paulson says:
It is true

Chad Paulson says:
name ONE line

Chad Paulson says:
that isn't

Andy says:
"members of the Xlink community have exploited (mirror) the fact that our source code (previously open source) is still sitting our SourceForge CVS servers."

Chad Paulson says:
Yep, that's correct.

Andy says:
heh

Chad Paulson says:
I have the link to proove it.

Andy says:
"ok"

Andy says:
"It seems they are forcing our hand to stay open-source"

Chad Paulson says:
seems

Chad Paulson says:
my perception.

Chad Paulson says:
That's allowed in america

Andy says:
tell me, how one guys post - on xbox-scene - "forces your hand"

Chad Paulson says:
It is my perception. It is subjective.

Andy says:
no, it is not

Andy says:
it's a publicity grab

Andy says:
and a bad one at that

Chad Paulson says:
It is far from it.

Andy says:
the whole article just stinks of "some insignificant thing has happend on the xlink boards - how can i blow it up and make it big news?"

Chad Paulson says:
If it were, I would have called GamePro and done a story about it.

Chad Paulson says:
It is merely a documentation on our page of what is going on.

Andy says:
but what you say is going on, is not going on

Chad Paulson says:
More seeking legal assistance than anything.

Andy says:
thats the whole point

Andy says:
heh

Chad Paulson says:
That is the purprose.

Andy says:
legal assistance for WHAT exactly?

Chad Paulson says:
For any present of furture violations.

Andy says:
protecting your IP ?

Andy says:
well, my friend

Andy says:
here's a tip

Andy says:
and it's quite an important one

Chad Paulson says:
We have 2 lawyers waiting to look through your Kai source.

Andy says:
you dont *have* IP over tunneling GCN

Andy says:
you have IP over your own source

Chad Paulson says:
If they find anything, we will put a case and decist and your project will be a matter of litigaiton.

Andy says:
Kai is closed source, Chad

Andy says:
i dont think i'll ever know why you're doing all this - maybe its upset you that someone else is on the GCN tunnel scene.. if so, im sorry we ruined your dream... but, the truth is, you have nothing on us at all - because there is nothing to have.. and now you've realised that - and your users are asking you to back up what uve been saying.. and you cant... i can see how that would be difficult..

Andy says:
but,

Chad Paulson says:
We will go through the courts.

Andy says:
the best way out if it for you, is to quit while your behind

Chad Paulson says:
Don't you worry. If we detect any violation, you will be brought to justice.

Andy says:
remove the article,

Andy says:
and apologise

Andy says:
and maybe - just maybe, you'll have some users left at the end of it all

Andy says:
otherwise, you'll just be seen as a joke

Chad Paulson says:
You are so worried about your userbase.

Chad Paulson says:
What is on the front page is staying.

Andy says:
we've never had a very big userbaser

Andy says:
never

Andy says:
doesnt matter to us

Andy says:
we arent in it for money, popularity, etc...

Chad Paulson says:
And we will be prepared for whatever "threat" you attempt to dole out on us.

Andy says:
we do it all because we enjoy doing it

Andy says:
threat?

Chad Paulson says:
It's not going to happen.

Chad Paulson says:
Because you did steal our source.

Chad Paulson says:
Good luck

Chad Paulson says:
Might want to call your laywer ASAP.

Chad Paulson says:
I hope you have a good one.

Andy says:
Anyway, I was sorta hoping this could have been productive... obviously not.. i just hope you can answer your users questions about all this - otherwise you're gonna be deleting a lot of threads in the future...

Chad Paulson says:
It won't and never will be.

Chad Paulson says:
We should be embracing our differences.

Chad Paulson says:
Instead, you want a pissing contest.

Andy says:
Chad,

Andy says:
I would bury all this, right now... you know i would

Chad Paulson says:
If I were you, I would halt any relations you are trying to have with Warp Pipe and do your xlink thing.

Chad Paulson says:
The time spent arguing is time lost developing.

Chad Paulson says:
I am the project manager, my developers are hard at work on Warp Pipe.

Andy says:
thats fine

Chad Paulson says:
You being the lead dev of xlink, I can't say the same for you.

Andy says:
heh

Andy says:
goodnight, gracie

Chad Paulson says:
If you keep it up, I will go to the press and it won't be good either.

Chad Paulson says:
Then we'll see who is using this for publicity.

Dunno about you guys - but i'm still waiting for the 2 lawyers to turn up Very Happy

TD

Team XLink Administrator Joined: 25 Apr 2004 Posts: 1871

wow, that was quite a read.

perhaps the Lawyers are swimming over to serve papers on you.

its my perception that anything that Chad does is dodgy, and he requires to give a bit more thought into the fact that telling the truth will gain him more respect both with his developers, users and other members of the online gaming comutinty (ie. XLink, XBC)

as it stands does anyone that knows teh truth respect you ?

Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 0

Yes,

I've been chatting with another of the devs over there - Zimans - on and off for quite some time now, although we've been out of touch for a little while. We just shoot the breeze about how stuff's going and general stuff. He's a damn talented guy (the way WPP translates IP addresses to get over the DHCP is genius - I must say that - very impressive). We don't often bring up the "stolen source" thing, because to be honest, I think he's a little embarassed about Chad's behaviour....

But it's like I've been saying from the start - I dont have a problem with anyone over there, apart from Chad. The guy should apologise for throwing dirt at us / me to try to negate the few bits of publicity we were getting with Kai - because I think just about everyone knows the truth.. Maybe then we could bury this thing...

TD

Kai Regular Joined: 22 May 2004 Posts: 94 Location: Sweden

TheDaddy:

The American way you know.

1st step: Call Lawyers.

And all the thing you wrote, could or could not be truth, who are we to now if it is or isn't.

But still, dont care about the silly "war", just gimme a working, easy to use/navigate tunneling-program.

Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 2:13 pm

Andrew wrote:

What's that mean? I'm in Kai lobbies and everyone's like..."Uh...im busy"

Why do Warppipe Fanboys come in here, I don't get it really?

Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 2:29 pm

The chat log you read is in fact a copy of an MSN chat log. It's quite old, and I read it a long while ago after TD was extremely pissed off with what was going on.

Kai Regular Joined: 22 May 2004 Posts: 94 Location: Sweden

dfunked:

Yeah, its probably a true msn-log.

But stop wasting energy on "war" use it on Kai instead (making it better if possible)

I still believe though that WP 0.4 will be good software too..

Both sides, keep up the good effort/work to bring us great software.

But tell me, will there be an easier/more stripped down GUI for Kai, I get dissoriented in it even though it is quite simple GUI.

Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 0

Quote:

ut tell me, will there be an easier/more stripped down GUI for Kai, I get dissoriented in it even though it is quite simple GUI.

Yes - thats planned. The current is is the "does everything" one - and will be used as a reference model by people writing the linux, osx, bsd, xbox, pocketPC etc. dashes for Kai. After things are calm, I'll finish up the kaiLite UI (which is actually already 50% done).

TD

Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 4:06 pm

NeoBlizz wrote:

TheDaddy:

The American way you know.

1st step: Call Lawyers.

And all the thing you wrote, could or could not be truth, who are we to now if it is or isn't.

But still, dont care about the silly "war", just gimme a working, easy to use/navigate tunneling-program.

whoa there cowboy! watch what you say about us americans....

Kai Admirer Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Posts: 381

woa.. never had seen that log before...
All i can conclude is that Chad mustve really been dreaming about a one gc tunnel scene. I guess he was hoping to give kai a bad rep with gc users by spewing those lie/assumptions.
Looks like he didnt actually have the resources to send those 2 lawyers to the UK tho ^^

Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 5:31 pm

No comment! Oops I just did Smile

Silly me!

Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 6:58 pm

i never saw that log but it really goes hand in hard with the convo i had with him a few months ago about all this shit and how he still thinks that xlink 'stole' code from him. i guess sum ppl never know when to grow up but who knows or cares nemore. i guess well just see how things go when/if they release their 0.4. which i doubt will be nething compared to what kai already is.

-kj05

Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 9:15 pm

Hard to say, I was unfortunatly involved in this incident, though I better not explain why. For one thing, Chad is a snivling bitch.

I just read this log today, and what he suggested me to do...what he suggested me to do got everyone at Xlink pissed off. If I had only seen the log, I would have never supported him with my shoulders.

Back to the burying *picks up shovel* Very Happy

Team XLink Administrator Joined: 25 Apr 2004 Posts: 1871

Ness wrote:

Hard to say, I was unfortunatly involved in this incident, though I better not explain why. For one thing, Chad is a snivling bitch.

I just read this log today, and what he suggested me to do...what he suggested me to do got everyone at Xlink pissed off. If I had only seen the log, I would have never supported him with my shoulders.

Back to the burying *picks up shovel* Very Happy

Ness

I can only assume that reason you did what you did, was becuase of loyalty for somthing you belived in.

Its a pitty there are people on this world who get a kick out of manipulating others to do their dirty work.

Loyalty is a great thing but is very easily misplaced, and once that happens its hard to place that loyalty in anything else.

we are not asking you to be Loyal to xlink, or to do anything that you dont want to do, all we ask is that you enjoy yourself.

Kai Regular Joined: 22 May 2004 Posts: 94 Location: Sweden

TheDaddy wrote:

I'll finish up the kaiLite UI (which is actually already 50% done).

TD

Nice..

jmel wrote:

whoa there cowboy! watch what you say about us americans....

Hehe....

Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 4:48 pm

Hey Guyz...I also was a "Former" Warppiper i was Also known as SuB-ZeRO X in Warppipe and i didnt like the way it was going...They never update there site.....They said 0.4 would be there "Shortly" after E3...it never came so im just here Loving Xlink Kia.....You guyz Pwn Warppipe No doubt!!!!! I just hope More people find out that Xlink also Supports Gamecube.........You Guyz Rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!