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Schweino
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:17 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Okay, tell me what you need to know.

What happened yesterday was this:

We were playing in messenger mode with 5-8 people at a time. After playing for a while, we got kicked out of the game (Halo2) with the "reconnecting" message displaying. We could still talk to eachother, but we couldn't do anything else (all that we could see was the black "reconnecting" screen).

After a minute or so, we also lost the ability to talk to eachother (while still waiting to reconnect). We then noticed that the Kai engine on the pc crashed (fatal exception). This was the case with all of us who were playing. We then restarted the Kai engine en shut down the UI and restarted that one again too, and started playing Halo 2 again. But after about 5 to 15 minutes the exact same would happen again.
I think it happened about 8 times last night.

When we played in Arena mode (to test if voicing worked allready) the crash didn't occur at all. We then headed back to messenger mode and started another Halo2 game, but again the engine crashed. This time it took a lot longer before it crashed though (30 mins approx) and someone else was the Party Leader (and thus hosting the game). It crashed twice again after that with this host, both with longer intervals inbetween than with the first host.

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All players were running the latest Xlink Kai engine on a WinXP pc. The 1st host has a 1 mbit upstream, the 2nd host a 512 mbit upstream, and both hosts had the full bandwith available to Xlink Kai (all other participants too by the way). The number of participants varied inbetween 5 and 8. All participants were located either in the Netherlands, Sweden, the UK or USA.

We also played with a similar party the day before yesterday and we didn't have a crash at all then (we played for about 3 hrs).
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Dirtydigitz
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I too have this same issue with the voice chat, i can hear ppl fine when we are in the game lobby, but voice communication stops once the Game starts. If I host a game i can hear everybody, but only if I host. I'm Glad you guys found the bug and are working on the fix. Very Happy

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mryuk
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:21 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

First off I would like to say I love this program. I was using Xbconnect (I even donated to them) but found connecting a group together painful.

I have only been using this for a few weeks and like it a lot though I have seen some minor issues.

Last night DIE-HARD was in my arena and shed some light on things. Please tell me if Iím getting this correct.

Iím running a dedicated arena. Static ip with ~15Mb down and 6Mb up. Bandwidth is not an issue. When playing only 1.2 Mb/s up is being used, yet we are having the same voice issues as others.

What I understand is that if there is heavy traffic (how much?) the Xboxes go into a mode where they save bandwidth by filtering the voice packets from Client to Client.

If I can get everybody to join using ďIím hostingĒ somehow this tells the Xboxes not to filter and the voice should work as expected. Only teams will hear each other.
Am I correct?

Is the update that is taking place tonight automatic? What does it fix?

Also (on a separate note) what causes messenger mode to crash so much. Is there a way to make it more stable? And Is there a way to detect cheaters (people with trainers running?)
And finally. A friend of mine canít seem to download the maps. DIE-HARD said this was purely a system link problem. How can Microsoft not address this?

Thanks for letting me ask so many questions. We will be playing under mryuk late tonight again.

Oh yea, I wish I could take back my donation to them and double the one Iím sending you guys!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I am working on a very detailed explination of the problem and will post once i get TD's approval.

As for the "not able to load map" problem.... Read here.
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=1131908

hmm it seems they have deleted 99% of the posts about the Unable to load Map problem. There where tons of these the 1st week halo 2 was out.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:30 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I used google and found my answers on the map thing. Thanks.

Is the update that is taking place tonight automatic? What does it fix? or whell you be posting that info too?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:52 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hope it will all be okay after the update, when you have played with voicing functioning okay, you don't wanna go back Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:16 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It worked when we used xbconnect. But id rather suffer than go back to that.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yeah i cant go back to XbConnect, YOu couldnt even pay me to use that Ugly interface again. Anyway, I hope they get the fix out tonight, as I plan to play some Drunken Halo Laughing, tonight!
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DIE-HARD
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 8:02 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Well here are the details for the guys who wanted to know.
Auto Update comming soon don't worry Wink

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Ok let me show some images to help explain the story.

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This is your standard network mesh. P2P. As you can see every person can talk to every other person. This is great for Racing games and others that donít need to carefully track each player.

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This is your standard Server/Client based game. Games like Halo 2, Rainbow 6, and most 1st person shooters are done. They are done this way because there needs to be 1 system in charge of deciding whether or not a player is shot. This is why some games that are poorly designed can have you ďdieĒ with no one in site. The server was not seeing the same screen you where for whatever reason, lag, packet loss, Evil or Very Mad cheats!>Sad

These games are the ones that require a Host with a large upload bandwidth and not just down. The Host has to be able to constantly relay what is going on to everyone. This is why many games have ďDedicated ServersĒ. They are fast and serve one purpose.

One of the great features of Kai is itís built in bandwidth triggers. Each arena has a bandwidth limit set to reduce lag. This is why there is the Hosting Status. It bypasses the set triggers for the given arena. This works great for the games. The only problem is the voice is built on top of the game. In other words it is not Server/Client based. The voice is P2P like in image one.

While in the Halo 2 lobby you are able to talk because the bandwidth is low enough that it hasnít triggered the ďstop tunneling to new IPísĒ trigger. This is why you are able to chat and hear everyone. Once the game starts and the trigger is active. Your Kai is only seeing that 1 IP is being used (the one of the Host) and it stops tunneling to other users. So now you go from P2P in image 1 to the Server/Client setup in image 2

From the images you should be able to see why you are no longer able to chat with anyone but the host.

Yes it is being fixed. No you donít need any more detail. All you need is patience. Very Happy We canít pump out auto updates like we could in the past, we need to make sure the win32 version is compatible with the *nix versions now before pushing out any updates and making sure the *nix versions get updated as well if needed.

Yes this is a ton of info and if you still donít understandÖ well thatís probably ok because this didnít interest you anyway Wink Your just here to play Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:42 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks for the great info. if there is something i can do to help, just ask.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:54 am Reply with quoteBack to top

just got the new updated kai
not working at all same as before .
I and 5 friends all on different boxes tryed it and all were updated with7.0.5.4
we set back to HOSTING on all computers and now some of us can't hear the others in the game on voice proximity?

hope to hear back from ya soon
ps we did this just after the up date.

we play'ed few games and it works ok here and there?????????

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:06 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Yeah its not working here either. everyone in the private arena had the updated engine.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:48 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

people are saying there is an update, but i dont notice a change in the way things work.. im hoping it will be fixed soon.. i enjoy xlink alot more than xbc, and i dont want a reason to go back.. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:33 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Any chance we can get an update on the fix? Also, once the fix is released is there anything required to get the update?

Thanks to everyone that is working on this problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

still not working we are still setting everyone to host.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:45 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I'll bring it under attention again..

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:09 am Reply with quoteBack to top

dfunked wrote:
I'll bring it under attention again..


THANKS MAN !!!! i love this site dude your all kewl with me!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:28 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

whenever I try to get around this problem by setting my status to host, all the games disappear? why?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 6:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

just wanted to say that i'm online a lot and willing to help out with this problem
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 10:15 am Reply with quoteBack to top

naskhan wrote:
whenever I try to get around this problem by setting my status to host, all the games disappear? why?


THATS EASY JUST SET TO HOST AFTER YOUR IN THE ROOM.but you need to set it to host before you start the game you will not be able to talk to all.
the reason is that xlink thinks your wanting to host not join.

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